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    try to solve the matter on the table, restrain from usage of hawkish provocation, before any disgrace

    试着在谈判桌上解决这事儿吧，应该避免鹰派的刺激，以免造成任何丢脸的事。

    Sammy Leung replied:

    China

    doesn't need the resource as much as Vietnam, China is treating it the same as the other disputed territories. China is simply saying no body touch it until the dispute is over.

    中国并不像越南那样需要这些资源，在对待南海的问题的上，中国的态度和对待其他争议领土是一样的。中国只是说在争议还没完之前，大家都别碰这些地区。

    2. Viet Ong wrote

    From strategic view, Vietnam's action is understandable. China

    want to test Vietnam's response, so Vietnam will response like this.

    The reporter of WSJ is not based in Vietnam so he does not know that there are thousands of people protesting in Hochiminh City on Jun 5, 2011. Vietnam people across the country is very angry about China.

    从战略角度看，越南的行动是可以理解的。中国想测试越南的反应，所以越南才会这样回应。

    华尔街日报的记者并不在越南，所以他并不知道2011年6月5日，胡志明市有成千上万的人抗议，所有越南人都火了。

    Fred Higgenbottom replied:

    Why should anyone in America care? Let these two communist nations battle it out to solve their own rivalries! But Vietnam

    should be wary with false bravado and sabre rattling. China has more census takers than Vietnam has people!

    美国人干嘛要关心这事儿呢?就让这两个共产主义国家自己开片去吧。但是越南得小心点，不要太逞能。中国的人口普查人员都比越南人口多。

    3. Nguyen Vinh dan wrote

    The Chinese shall never underestimate the nationalistic sentiments of the Vietnamese. Eventhough, the Vietnam is much weaker than China

    in terms of army, the Vietnamese have never given up or cowed down to the chinese.

    中国人可不能低估越南的民族主义情绪。虽然从军事上讲越南比中国弱很多，但越南从没有向中国屈服过。

    WarrenDar USA replied

    This could get interesting...Looks like we are heading for a "Communists Summer" in SE Asia to compete with the "Arabs Spring". Fine with the US & Russia

    as it is all done without the US & Russia sending in its troops firing a shot (but glad to act as a proxy by providing weapons & "advisors" when asked).

    Finally, I think VN should starts a "peaceful" nuclear program as a supplement to energy program (i.e. Syria, North Korea, and Iran

    ) and as a poor-man deterrent against China. And the USA & Russia would conveniently ignore (or even assist) with that aspiration as a blind spot in the UN Security Council for a pay back to China's behaviors in the past.

    真是越来越有意思了。看来在“阿拉伯之春”之后我们又要迎来“共产主义夏天”了。美国和俄罗斯可没意见，又不需要美国，俄罗斯派军队去，当然如果受到邀请派点顾问或者提供点武器还是很乐意的。

    Dan Nguyen replied

    Agree with you about Vietnam starting a nuclear program...

    我同意，越南也该开始核计划了。

    Greg Arnot replied (译者：这货八成是越南人，而且是比较2B的那种，后面其发言尽显无遗)

    China

    invaded Vietnam in 1979.

    Over 50,000 Chinese soliders were killed in about 2 weeks. It was a bloodbath.

    Vietnam's victory over China motivated China to reform and modernize their military.

    Yet, even today, I do not think China can defeat Vietnam. China's missiles are deployed against Taiwan so a war would mean China is likely to repeat its mistakes of 1979.

    中国在1979年侵略了越南。在两周内中国就死了5万多士兵，真是血浴一般。

    越南的胜利促使中国对军队进行改革和现代化。

    就算今天，我也不认为，中国能击败越南。中国的导弹是针对台湾部署的。所以现在要再打的话，中国还是会犯1979年同样的错误。

    Falcon Huang replied:

    So Greg, why didn't you finish up that story about your mother and some Japanese men that got you admitted into a mental hospital.

    那么Greg，你干嘛不以你妈和一群日本人把你送进精神病院来结束你的故事呢.

    4 Terry Kimble wrote

    The Big Deal with China will be because of China

    's limited resources. Between bribing their way into Africa and just taking from their neighbors, China is on a natural resource trajectory that does not support their mercantilism economy. As that fact comes more into focus the world will get a closer look at the decision process of the Chicoms. The danger is that so many countries have let China get away with making up their own rules that China will not be used to anyone saying no to them.

    中国的关键问题是由于其有限的资源，无法满足其经济，他的选择只有砸钱进入非洲，或者就到周边国家去拿呗。这个事实被世界关注的时候，大家就能更看清中国的决策过程。危险的是这么多国家都让中国习惯起没人敢对他说不了。

    5Jun Jing wrote:

    Is Vietnam

    trying to start a war? Unwise.

    越南人要开片？不太明智。

    Greg Arnot replied

    In 1979, Vietnam killed over 50,000 Chinese soldiers in less than two weeks. It was a slaughter.

    Vietnamese wisdom...

    1979年，越南人两周不到就干掉了5万多中国战士，就是屠杀。这就是越南人的智慧。

    6 Charles Chuck wrote

    Vietnam

    is backed by Russia and Phillipines is backed by USA. Who backs China? Without backing of a major power, China has no assurance to win a war with even the minor neighbor. This is no fault of Deng and the present leaders in China, as it is a legacy of Mao, who backed Vietcom to fight for unification, while sending all of their ingenious scientists to hard labor instead of developing high-end navy/air techs, wasting half a century precious window period of peace for catching up. However, as a peace-loving person, I'd like to advice Vietnam leaders not to bully China too much. Give them some face, that's good for everybody.

    越南背后有毛子，菲律宾人背后有美帝，中国背后有谁？没有大国的支持，中国可没有保证能赢一场战争即使是对弱小的邻邦。这不是邓和现在中国领导人的错，真是毛的事儿，他支持越南统一，还把国内的科学家都赶去干苦力活儿而不是发展高端科技，浪费了半个世纪的宝贵的和平窗口期来追赶。当然，作为和平主义者，我想建议越南领导们，别把中国逼急了，给他们点面子，对大家都好。

    Falcon Huang replied:

    I think you were joking. US would not want to risk war with China over Vietnam

    . Time have changed when China has shown the capability to have their submarines carrying nuclear missiles surfacing a stone throw from US coast without early detection. Another milestone was when China has achieved the ability to shoot down satellites that could make US missiles and her aerial / maritime operations semi blind.

    Russia has a close relationship with China and the two have settled their border dispute. They are major trading partners to each other. Why would the Russian thinks like a naive American hillbilly you seems to be.

    我看您老开玩笑吧。美帝才不愿意为了越南和中国干仗。时代不同啦，中国的核潜艇已经展示过能力，在离美帝岸边一射之地上浮而没被提前发现。另外一个里程碑是，中国已有能力干下卫星，可以使美帝的导弹并使其空军和海军成为半个瞎子。

    Charles Chuck replied

    Yes, you are right that Russia and China have settled their border dispute as China

    formally admits severance of the vast FarEast region (North Manchuria) with abundant oil/wood/fresh water resources to Russia, something the past Chinese rulers dared not to sign, because they know they cannot win a major war with Russia. Now, similar to Northern Manchuria, South China Sea will be taken by any regional country including China and Vietnam who dare to fight and can win a war. The question is, is China ready to interrupt its chance of development to fight a major war with Vietnam? My answer is NO.

    是，你说得对，毛子和中国是已经解决了边境问题，那是因为中国舍弃了大片的远东地区包括其上丰富的石油/木材/淡水资源，这可是过去的中国领导人不敢签的，因为他们知道他们和毛子干仗可赢不了。现在，与此类似，南中国海属于该地区任何敢于干仗并能打赢的国家。问题是，中国是不是愿意中断其发展来和越南打场大仗？我觉得不会。

    Greg Arnot replied

    China

    invaded Vietnam in 1979 and over 50,000 Chinese soldiers were killed in less than two weeks.

    The Vietnamese army made the PLA look like poorly trained chimps.

    Kenny Zhu...you are a malicious fool. Without the US military, your mother would have spent her life dating the Japanese Army.

    You shame all of China.

    >>when China has shown the capability to have their submarines carrying nuclear missiles surfacing a stone throw from US coast without early detection<<

    Not true Kenny Zhu. China only has diesel powered submarines...they can not cross the Pacific without surfacing. China

    does not have missile attack subs, no Polaris or Poseidon counterparts.

    All China has is a loudmouth like you, a shame to your own mother and a shame to all of China.

    1979年中国入侵越南的时候，越南两周内就干了5万多中国士兵。（第三次了，这2货就会复制黏贴）

    在越南军队面前，解放军就像没训练过的大猩猩。

    Kenny Zhu，你真是个笨蛋。要不是美帝王师，你老妈下半辈子就呆在日本军队里吧（当然这句大家可以看看原文）

    “中国的核潜艇已经展示过能力，在离美帝岸边一射之地上浮而没被提前发现”

    Kenny Zhu，这不是真的，中国只有柴电潜艇（这2货开始露陷了吧，093,094擦汗前来围观），他们不可能中途不上浮得穿越太平洋。中国没有弹道导弹核潜艇（又2了吧，JL1,094组团前来围观，JL2,096提前围观），不是北极星和海神式导弹的对手。

    中国只有你这样的大嘴，真是你妈和全中国的羞耻。

    Stephen Morris replied

    "Who backs China?" China

    is a major power in its' own right! I am not quite sure if they and others have figured that out yet.

    谁支持中国？ 中国自己现在就是大国。我不知道他们和其他人是不是搞清楚这一点了。

    Charles Chuck replied

    Of course China is a major power. As a matter of fact, without China

    's help, Vietcong has little chance to defeat France and USA to unify and now even to bully China. I believe this strange phenomenon may be due to the Sino-Russia treaty signed 10 years ago to concede such a huge piece of territory with abundant oil/gas to Russia encourages all of the local countries to look down China, or due to the concession given by China to admit in-factor occupation by Japan of Senkaku Island (Diaoyu Island), or due to abandoning of the southern Tibet territory to India after winning the 1962 Sino-India war, or due to giving half of Mt. Everest as gifts to Neple and half of Mt. Baitou as gifts to North Korea? Did Chinese leaders intentionlly show the weakness, or they really don't care cutting off pieces of terretory to other countries? Can you imagine Japan to make live-fire drill near its "Northen 4 islands" now occupied by Russia? Can you imagine Cuba to make live-fire drill near US oil field in Mexico Bay? Can you imagine Argentina to make live-fire drill near Forkland Island?

    当然中国是个大国。事实上，没中国的帮助，越共根本没机会打败法国和美国实现统一，而现在却要去惹中国。我相信这奇怪的现象可能是由于中俄10年前签了那个把蕴藏巨大资源的土地让给俄国的条约，使该地区其他国家都看扁中国了。或者是中国承认日本对钓鱼岛事实上的占领。或者1962年在打赢了印度之后放弃藏南。又或者把半个珠穆朗玛峰和半个长白山当礼物给了尼泊尔和朝鲜？是中国领导人故意示弱，还是他们真不介意把国土割给别国？你能想象日本在毛子占的北方四岛举行实弹演习?你能想象古巴在墨西哥湾的美国油井附近实弹演习？你能想象阿根廷在马岛附近实弹演习？

    （这么熟?这货不是中国通，就是香蕉人，或者别的啥的？）

    Falcon Huang replied

    A settlement is worth the settlement if the counter party is one that does not flip flop. Russia, despite her aggressive disposition will find that peace with China

    is mutually beneficial. And as to Vietnam, there is just a possibility that China may back down AT THE MOMENT. I hope Vietnam will realize that China will settle the case plus interest when the time is appropriate.

    Greg old fool

    So the big mouth who claimed to be at Tiananmen and watched tens of thousands of Chinese students crushed by tanks and is now here to claim his prize as a dirty cheap liar. You have a loose mouth and you have some mental illness because of something between your mother and some Japanese men.

    只要对方不是那种翻脸比翻书快的人（擦汗，貌似毛子翻脸确实相当快），这协议就值得签。毛子虽然态度强硬，它也觉得和中国保持和平对双方都有好处。对越南也是一样，中国还是有可能一时忍忍的。我希望越南能意识到中国会在适当的时候解决这个问题的。 现在又来撒什么谎。你妈和日本人乱搞让你精神有问题了吧。